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  • Trump’s AI czar flags report indicating DeepSeek’s true cost of developing its AI models

    Trump’s AI czar flags report indicating DeepSeek’s true cost of developing its AI models

    President Donald Trump’s artificial intelligence (AI) czar, David Sacks, is pointing to evidence that China’s DeepSeek AI startup spent a lot more money developing its models than has been reported.

    DeepSeek sent the U.S tech sector into turmoil on Monday after reporting that it had spent only $5.567 million to train its DeepSeek-V3 AI model, which is purportedly competitive with some AI models developed in the United States that cost billions. 

    David Sacks, CEO of Zenefits, speaks during 2016 TechCrunch Disrupt in San Francisco, California, September 13, 2016.  (Reuters/Beck Diefenbach / Reuters)

    “New report by leading semiconductor analyst Dylan Patel shows that DeepSeek spent over $1 billion on its compute cluster,” Sacks wrote on X on Friday. “The widely reported $6M number is highly misleading, as it excludes capex and R&D, and at best describes the cost of the final training run only.”

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    After revealing the $5.5 million figure in its report, DeepSeek had added, “Note that the aforementioned costs only include the official training of DeepSeek-V3, excluding the costs associated with prior research and ablation experiments on architecture, algorithms, or data.”

    Earlier this week, tech mogul Palmer Luckey slammed the U.S. media for widely reporting the $5 million figure from DeepSeek, accusing the press of ignoring that a significant portion of the Chinese AI company’s infrastructure costs were still unknown.

    Anduril founder Palmer Luckey

    Palmer Luckey, founder of Anduril Industries, during an interview on “The Circuit with Emily Chang” at Anduril’s headquarters in Costa Mesa, California, US, on Thursday, Dec. 14, 2023.  (Kyle Grillot/Bloomberg via Getty Images / Getty Images)

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    “I think the problem is they put out that number specifically to harm U.S. companies,” Luckey told FOX Business’ “That Claman Countdown.” “You had a lot of useful idiots in U.S. media kind of just mindlessly reporting that that’s the case, and neither China nor the media nor DeepSeek has any kind of incentive to correct the record as a lot of U.S. companies like Nvidia crashed to the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars.”

    DeepSeek’s model appears able to match the capability of chatbots like OpenAI’s ChatGPT and Meta’s Llama but at a fraction of the development cost. It also rose to No. 1 on the Apple App Store over the weekend and reportedly can use reduced-capability chips from Nvidia.

    Those revelations slammed the U.S. tech sector on Monday.

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    “There’s a reason they put out the news that way, and if the stock market is any indication, it’s accomplishing exactly what they hoped to,” Luckey added. “So, look: We can recognize that Chinese AI is a real competitive threat without losing our minds over it and falling for CCP [Chinese Communist Party] propaganda.”

  • Alibaba releases AI model it says rivals DeepSeek, OpenAI, Meta’s top models

    Alibaba releases AI model it says rivals DeepSeek, OpenAI, Meta’s top models

    Chinese tech giant Alibaba is flexing its muscles in the global race for artificial intelligence (AI) dominance, claiming the latest version of its Qwen 2.5 can take on the top models from rivals both foreign and domestic.

    Not to be outdone by the attention surrounding fellow Chinese firm DeepSeek – which rocked the U.S. tech sector this week with its purported emergence as a potential rival to leading American AI companies – Alibaba says its latest offering is superior to them all in nearly every measure.

    Alibaba claimed the latest version of its Qwen 2.5 can take on the top models from rivals both foreign and domestic. (Thomas Peter / Reuters Photos)

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    “Qwen 2.5-Max outperforms… almost across the board GPT-4o, DeepSeek-V3 and Llama-3.1-405B,” Alibaba’s cloud unit said in an announcement posted on its official WeChat account, referring to OpenAI and Meta’s most advanced open-source AI models.

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    Alibaba’s Qwen account on X posted stats indicating how the model stacks up against its competitors, claiming, “It achieves competitive performance against the top-tier models, and outcompetes DeepSeek V3 in benchmarks like Arena Hard, LiveBench, LiveCodeBench, GPQA-Diamond.”

    The unusual timing of the Qwen 2.5-Max’s release, on the first day of the Lunar New Year when most Chinese people are off work and with their families, points to the pressure Chinese AI startup DeepSeek’s meteoric rise in the past three weeks has placed on not just overseas rivals, but also its domestic competition.

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    The Jan. 10 release of DeepSeek’s AI assistant, powered by the DeepSeek-V3 model, as well as the Jan. 20 release of its R1 model, has shocked Silicon Valley and caused tech shares to plunge, with the Chinese startup’s purportedly low development and usage costs prompting investors to question huge spending plans by leading AI firms in the U.S.

    But DeepSeek’s success has also led to a scramble among its domestic competitors to upgrade their own AI models.

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    Two days after the release of DeepSeek-R1, TikTok owner ByteDance released an update to its flagship AI model, which it claimed outperformed Microsoft-backed OpenAI’s o1 in AIME, a benchmark test that measures how well AI models understand and respond to complex instructions.

    This echoed DeepSeek’s claim that its R1 model rivaled OpenAI’s o1 on several performance benchmarks.

    Reuters contributed to this report.